Gus Gollings writes: > This does tend to spoil the 'tension' of the logo (as the designers > say), and it is not my recommendation, but it's not a bad suggestion > and is included below for reference :-) I'll never understand graphic artists, I suspect. ;-) > http://thomasandfrances.com/zopebig3.gif Looks cool to me. ;-) -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. <fred at zope.com> PythonLabs at Zope Corporation