[Zope3-dev] RE: issue 216

[Roman Roelofsen]

Hi developers,

I followed this "issue 216" thread with much interest. I´m new to Zope 3 (Zope 
at all :-) ) and always asked myself how to provide a UI for site visitors 
and admins and what the Zope3-intended way is. Now I know that there is no 
"Zope3-way" :-). 

While learning Zope3 I´m developing a small sample app for myself. I´m now at 
a stage where I must divide my UI for the SV and admins. 

My plan is to provide a custom page template for the SV pages. This template 
will use the standard_macros/page template and override all of the ZMI 
elements, and, of cource, reuse some of them like the banner. In this 
template I implement the user_views and user_actions slots. Now my SV pages 
don´t have any ZMI elements but they are still affected by the global skin 
which IMHO is importent if I want to use my compontent in other sites. 

~ So, what do you think about my approach? 
~ Is there a better, more "zopeish" way?

While trying to find a solution for my problem, I always wondered why the 
Zope-skins don´t provide a "userpage" macro like they do provide the page, 
views, dialog, etc. macros. 

~ Wouldn´t this solve this problem?

Best regards,

		Roman


> Hi Jim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Fulton [mailto:jim at zope.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:18 PM
> > To: Tres Seaver
> > Cc: dev at projekt01.ch; zope3-dev at zope.org
> > Subject: Re: issue 216
> >
> > Tres Seaver wrote:
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> > > Roger Ineichen wrote:
> > > | Can we close the issue 216 which was reported by you?
> > > |
> > > | The preview concept works in any situation.
> > > |
> > > | That's only a problem of what the index.html
> > > | page presents.
> > > |
> > > | For a project without a own presentation skin (index.html pages)
> > > | is the index.html page used which uses the same menu items like
> > > | the ZMI.
> > > | That's correct. This is the index.html where you see also
> > > | if you point the browser directly to index.html.
> > > |
> > > | I don't think there is no need for another concept like Jim
> > > | proposed in the issue.
> > > |
> > > | We really have to se what's presented in the index.html view.
> > > | If this index.html page is uesing the same menu like the ZMI,
> > > | we have to see this.
> > >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > I do not believe that he original issue has been resolved:
> > >
> > > ~ - If the 'index.html' view is intended for use by the :content
> > > ~   manager", then it needs to use the same macro as the
> >
> > other CMF views,
> >
> > > ~   in order to preserve the navigation.
> > >
> > > ~ - If, on the other hand,  the 'index.html' view is
> >
> > intended for the
> >
> > > ~   "site visitor", it should *not* appear (directly) as a
> >
> > tab for the
> >
> > > ~    CM;  the CM should have a "preview" tab which renders the
> > > ~   'index.html' view inside an <iframe>.
> > >
> > > ~   Likewise, the SV-centric template should strip out all
> >
> > the other ZMI
> >
> > > ~   elemetns (the left-hand nav, the Zope3 logo, etc),
> >
> > which should *not*
> >
> > > ~   be exposed by default to the site visitor.
> >
> > I suggest that index.html is for site visitors.  I agree that
> > it should
> > not be a tab (I didn't think it was).  It should also not use any ZMI
> > elements.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Ok, I know what you mean. You use the ZMI for a project, right?
> And you need a presentation skin? That's not what we have now.
>
> Yes, we don't have a tab in the ZMI for the index.html.
> But the index.html is not implemented as a pure presentation view
> for endusers.
> It's a presentation page but not a hole presentation layer/skin.
>
> The index.html views are not useable as a enduser skin.
> There are loosly views for present a object. E.g the
> index.html view for the conent type images calls image presentation
> without any html. Just a xy.gif presentation. You need more
> then this index.html for make it useable as a presentation UI for
> endusers.
>
> I still think we need a presentation skin for endusers
> and not only index.html pages/views.
>
> Like I proposed before, I can add a new presentation skin.
> Something like we have in Plone. If we do this, we should use
> different views and actions like:
> "user_actions" and "user_views" where we can offer a new namspace
> for actions and views for endusers if the ZMI doesn't fit.
>
> If you can wait, I work on it after the release 3.1. Otherwise
> I can add a small presentation skin which will fit for what you
> need.
>
> Regards
> Roger Ineichen
>
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