[Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

[Philipp von Weitershausen]

Dmitry Vasiliev wrote:
> Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> 
>> Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
>>
>>>> Jim, some other people and I argued that this kind of automation is 
>>>> bad anyway and instead of introducing more translation magic, TAL 
>>>> shouldn't do any automatic translation at all.
>>>>
>>>> So, in my opinion, do_insertText_tal() should raise a 
>>>> DeprecationWarning if it encounters a MessageID/Message object that 
>>>> doesn't have an accompanying i18n:translate declaration.
>>>>
>>>>> Stephan also have pointed that automatic translation doesn't allow 
>>>>> somebody to disable translation on purpose for some piece of content.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right. That's one reason why it's bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone explain this use case a bit deeper ?
>>
>>
>> Suppose you don't want to translate messages in a particular template 
>> that you want to have translated in others (for example editing vs. 
>> displaying a piece of translatable content). Or, suppose you want a 
>> particular message id translated in a different language than another 
>> one... Or, suppose you're building an app that manages message ids...
> 
> 
> But now you just can define another method for the view which does 
> something like "return unicode(msgid)".

Right, and you have to knowingly use *that* method, not the other one. 
So, you have to be aware of it. Then we could just as well make it 
straight-forward and explicit by the means of i18n:translate.

Philipp