[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

[Tonico Strasser]

Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb:
> Tonico Strasser wrote:
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>>Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb:
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>>>Tonico Strasser wrote:
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>>>>Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb:
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>>>>>I'm not so sure that this is such a good thing. ZPT seems to enforce
>>>>>*guidelines* that not everyone might want to follow (e.g. if I want to
>>>>>output my XHTML as c14n or something similar). For me, ZPT's HTML mode
>>>>>just does too many things, most of which won't hurt to be the template
>>>>>author's responsibility. I definitely consider <br/> vs. <br /> one of
>>>>>them.
>>>>
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>>>>You have different use cases, obviously. For me, HTML mode is a good
>>>>thing including <br/> to <br /> conversion. (I don't like to write <br
>>>>/> all the time, all our web pages are served as text/html for non-XHTML
>>>>browsers like MSIE, and we follow the compatibility guidelines from the
>>>>XHTML standard).
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>>>That's good and I agree that there should be tools that aid you in
>>>making your HTML work better with the guidelines. But if that means
>>>introducing weird obstacles for ZPT authors, I don't think these tools
>>>should be part of the ZPT renderer. If you don't want to write <br />
>>>all the time, use a "guideline compliance maker" tool (maybe xmllint
>>>will do) and feed your template to it... Templating XML is part of ZPT's
>>>job; I question if it should do much more at this point.
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>>But that's why ZTPs have HTML mode, no?
> 
> 
> Yes. But rather than helping us, those features are more and more in our
> way. And with XML and HTML modes being incompatible, I rather opt for
> XML mode and sacrifice a small convenience that I could even bring back
> by using additional tools.
> 
> 
>>>>I agree that it should be possible to trigger XML mode without the
>>>>prolog for use cases like yours.
>>>
>>>That won't help because HTML mode macros and XML mode macros aren't
>>>compatible. I really would like to see XML be the default, including
>>>Zope 3's skin macros.
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>>Yes, would also like to see this.
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> 
> Ah, good. It wasn't at all clear that you actually supported the
> proposal :).

Yes, if it's still possible to trigger HTML mode. But what about 
backwards compatibility if we make XML the default mode?

Tonico