[Zope3-dev] Re: [DraftProposals] (edit)

[Christian Theune]

Hi,

Pjotr Prins wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:11:21PM -0800, Christian Theune wrote:
>> I don't think so. The Zope 3 wiki was built up as, and still is, a resource for the development *of* Zope 3. We shouldn't
> 
> So according to you ZOPE3 is still an engineering project as the main
> Wiki/Documentation site is basically a resource for the development of
> ZOPE. Indeed, this is the way ZOPE3 is presented to the outside world
> now. It is my impression and I am acting on that.
> 
> People starting with ZOPE, or implementing with ZOPE, get lost in
> documentation about *proposals* on ZOPE.
> 
> Place yourself in the shoes of someone new to ZOPE3 and trying to
> find his/her way.
> 
> That should matter to you.

I'm sorry if it looked like I don't care. It does matter to me that
people coming to Zope 3 need information. However, that doesn't remove
the justification for the existing project management resources.

Steve pointed out some functions of launchpad and maybe those can take
over those responsibilities in the future.

> Let me phrase it as a technical challenge (so the engineer can
> understand it):
> 
> How do you create a web resource for ZOPE3 that allows people to find
> and resolve implementation issues easily? Without them having to wade
> through (alive or dead) proposals? And how do you trick search
> engines not to expose these proposals?

I don't have a clear answer for this. I personally appreciate that you
are investing effort and contribute.

About your challenge: Maybe we do not have to use the Zope 3 development
wiki to provide users/developers with information how to use Zope 3.
Maybe the Zope 3 wiki in the future can become the place if we start
using launchpad. I agree that we want to separate the concerns and don't
have people looking for documentation about using Zope 3 end up in the
depth of the development proposals. (However, implemented proposals
should be a reasonable source of documentation for their scope!)

Christian

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