[Zope3-dev] Re: CSS-Style-Guide / looking for help

[Tom von Schwerdtner]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:47:10 +0100, Roger Ineichen <dev at projekt01.ch> wrote:
> Hi Tonico
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope3-dev-bounces+dev=projekt01.ch at zope.org
> > [mailto:zope3-dev-bounces+dev=projekt01.ch at zope.org] On
> > Behalf Of Tonico Strasser
> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:11 PM
> > To: zope3-dev at zope.org
> > Cc: 'Peter Simmons'
> > Subject: [Zope3-dev] Re: CSS-Style-Guide / looking for help
> >
> > Stephan Richter wrote:
> > > On Friday 11 February 2005 17:22, Roger Ineichen wrote:
> > >
> > >>This is out of scope right now.
> > >>I like such ideas, but we are on a lower level right now.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree; it would make much of the frameworks unnecessarily
> > complicated. I
> > > would be happy with simple class definitions myself.
> > >
> > > I would be also interested in reading what HTML elements
> > should be used in
> > > which scenarios. When to use tables and when to use
> > dictionaries for example.
> > >
> >
> > What are HTML dictionaries, did you mean definition lists?
> >
> > I find it difficult to discuss the correct HTML markup. Tables for
> > layout, the correct heading level, using definition lists for
> > something
> > that is not a definition, class names and id names, b, i, br, the
> > correct doctype, etc.
> >
> > We need to define at least the browser support level and the
> > accessibility level before we can discuss the correct use of HTML
> > elements, IMHO.
> 
> We define this as next.
> 
> Can you add this to the CSS proposal?
> 
> Please make differences between the ZMI and enduser skins.
> 
> I like to see a ZMi in which the navigation on the left side is
> working correct. I don't think this is possible without tables.
> 
> If you see a way to use a tableless layout with a working left
> navigation box let me know. Remember its width is dynamic.

Do we have a lower limit regarding browser support for having the UI
how we want it to appear?  It would be easy to do this in all modern
browsers, but things like NS4.7 would end up showing the navigation at
the top before the content.  Not unusable, but not what we want them
to see... but then do we really care what NS4 looks like, so long as
it is usable?

-Tom

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Tom von Schwerdtner
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