[Zope3-dev] Re: Bug 358/359, 367 fixed

Wed Feb 23 21:26:13 EST 2005

Behalf Of Paul Everitt
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:12 PM
> To: zope3-dev at zope.org
> Subject: [Zope3-dev] Re: Bug 358/359, 367 fixed
> 
> 
> I agree.  To address Chris' complaint, we need a little 
> background then 
> a little discussion.
> 
> During the Rotterdam sprint long, long ago, the UI team and the 
> sprinters as a whole agreed that the Zope 3 UI should be aimed at 
> business users.  It should offer better performance, be more 
> attractive, 
>   and it was OK to focus on certain browsers.

I think it's still OK.

> (Whether the performance or attractive goals were met isn't 
> important to 
> this discussion.)
> 
> Since then, though, some Zope 3 folks not at that sprint have 
> expressed 
> issues with the choice.  Ultimately, it isn't clear to me who the 
> default Zope 3 web UI is for: users or developers.

Perhaps for both.

> Saying "it look good in all browsers" either means a UI from 
> the glory 
> days of HTML 3.2, or more work than there currently are UI workers in 
> Zope 3.  From a triage perspective, I think we have to be realistic 
> about what browsers are supported, and that means a better 
> understanding 
> of who is and isn't going to use the web UI.

I don't like it to support old browsers in a new framework.
Especialy if old browsers are no option for security reason.
Or does someone really use a ie 4.0 or netscape 4.0 in a company?

I like to have a skin which supports old browsers and perhaps 
also accesibilty standards. But the standard skin should have 
the target on new technology and performance.

Can somebody make a compatibility list for browsers?
Perhaps we can define this in two groups:

- New feature supported browsers and 
- old compatibilty browsers

This means we provide at least to skins.

Regards
Roger Ineichen

> Just my two centimes.
> 
> --Paul
> 
> Roger Ineichen wrote:
> > To all, 
> > 
> > I think it's time to report CSS problems
> > we never take care on. Feel free to write a mail
> > to me directly if you think you don't whant report it 
> > to the mailinglist.
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: zope3-dev-bounces+dev=projekt01.ch at zope.org 
> >>[mailto:zope3-dev-bounces+dev=projekt01.ch at zope.org] On 
> >>Behalf Of E. Frerich
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:51 PM
> >>To: zope3-dev at zope.org
> >>Cc: chris at simplistix.co.uk
> >>Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Bug 358/359, 367 fixed
> >>
> >>Am 22 Feb 2005 um 20:12 hat Chris Withers geschrieben:
> >>
> >>
> >>>requiring the end user to change their browser isn't generally an
> >>>acceptable solution to a problem...
> > 
> > 
> > Your absolutly right, but it's really not solved?
> > 
> > Is it not just a CSS/cache problem? Please refresh
> > your browser cache before you install another browser. 
> > 
> > I have had the same, but after clear the CSS out of the browser
> > cache it was working.
> > 
> > 
> >>>Chris
> >>
> >>Generally I agree. But I assume this is an error in Mozilla 
> >>1.7.3; stable 
> >>release is 1.7.5; 1.8.5 is in beta.
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry I don't have all this browsers for testing. ;-)
> > 
> > 
> >>And I was happy that Roger eliminated partly the issue.
> > 
> > 
> > ;-)
> >  
> > 
> >>Egon
> >>
> >>
> >>>E. Frerich wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I installed Firefox - everything is ok
> >>>>
> >>>>Am 19 Feb 2005 um 11:14 hat E. Frerich geschrieben:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Roger,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>bug 358/359: on IE I get two rows with the menu items,
> >>>>>on Mozilla 1.7.3 the situation is worst. I attach an image.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Egon
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am 19 Feb 2005 um 2:21 hat Roger Ineichen geschrieben:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Please can somebody close the bugs 358/359 and 367
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Cleand up some odd CSS bugs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>What do you think about the bug 338.
> >>>>>>I think this is the job of the apidoc.
> >>>>>>There is now a link at the first page of the 
> >>>>>>onlinehelp to the ++apidoc++.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Regards
> >>>>>>Roger Ineichen
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